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End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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  • 7 days ago

  • @tfehring
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End of Support for Firefox Lockwise


@gjsman-1000 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

Another Mozilla project bites the dust.

You have one job: Build Firefox. Drop the side projects.

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@dusted 6 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

Never used it, but it does seem like 'zilla rather enjoys shutting stuff down if it's somehow useful.. probably to concentrate more on what really matters... such as minor useless UI tweaks, "hamburger" menus and turning tabs into buttons..

This bile was brought to you by the "Choose an application to open the ftp link." dialog in Firefox.

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@eganist 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

Before people jump the gun with pitchforks like I was about to, please consider the following from the article:

> Check back for updates in December 2021 on how to use Firefox for iOS as your system-wide password manager.

Seems Lockwise is being EOL'd in exchange for Firefox itself as the password management app.

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@antback 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

But to access the same functionality with Firefox in android I have to go into 3 levels of menus or I'm wrong. Very annoying ...

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@tomrod 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

Very unfortunate. I've appreciated Lockwise for syncing between desktop and mobile. The FF mobile Android app has been a hot mess since at least last summer when their UX update rolled out.

I so want to support Mozilla but their moves always seem to be anti-power user. Oh well.

Any recommendations? I'm looking at NordPass but would love to hear about other alternatives.

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@andoli 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

I know I'm being a bit naive, but I trusted them more than any other random "free as in beer" password manager service...I didn't mind too much the rather miserable mobile experience, as long as it got the job done.

That's bad Mozilla. Lockwise was the reason I started donating.

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@MyStckRnnthOvr 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

It would be really great if, when announcing the deprecation with a firm date, they would also announce a firm (preferably earlier) date for the replacement iOS Firefox functionality.

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@rubyist5eva 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

Happy 1password customer, Bitwarden is also pretty great. Dont' depend on a single browser vendor for this stuff.

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@notRobot 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

I am not happy about this. I like having the standalone Lockwise app on my Android phone as a password manager.

When the app is discontinued, will I still be able to use autofill in other apps?

And what about the apps where autofill doesn't work? Having to open my browser for every password I need to copy on my phone just seems clunky and stupid.

I'm so fucking sick of Mozilla breaking their UX flows for every damn thing. Just keep the app!

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@KennyBlanken 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

For anyone looking to stay on an open source solution: Keepass databases, synced using whatever sync tool floats your boat (syncthing, Nextcloud, iCloud etc.)

On Android I used KeepassXC and syncthing.

After switching to iOS: Keepassium + NextCloud.

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@gjsman-1000 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

When do we fork Firefox because Mozilla is a failure at their job?

They've managed to lose almost all their market popularity, mobile Firefox share is almost nonexistent, they pay their executives extremely disproportionately compared to most nonprofits, they have expanded into countless failed side projects (Firefox OS, Firefox Send) and vestigial side projects they aren't good at (Pocket, Firefox Focus, Firefox Reality, Firefox Lockwise, Firefox Monitor, Mozilla VPN) which only serve to distract Mozilla from working on Firefox.

And since then they've now decided they are an NGO fighting for the Freedom of the Internet or something, even though all Google has to do is pull royalty funding because Firefox's market share is not worth supporting for how small it is, and their entire operation will fall overnight like a house of cards.

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@throwaway946513 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

For iOS users, while autofill doesn't seem to be added just yet - passwords are available from the hamburger menu in Firefox, as well as adding, viewing, and managing passwords within iOS.

Mozilla has stated that they will add the autofill functionality to Firefox for the system-wide use.

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@cryptos 6 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

I see Mozilla on a long way down. Firefox loses market share quarter by quarter, Thunderbird basically looks like it did 15 years ago and all the other projects are not real successes or have long been abandoned. Now, if Mozilla announces a new product I don't care at all, because I expect that it will be abandoned sooner or later.

Mozilla should really focus on buildind a world class, fast and secure browser. And if this is successfull then start new things.

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@chrysoprace 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

Lockwise has always seemed like a weird product to me. I would've liked to use it but I don't exclusively use Firefox so I need a password manager that works on other browsers. It's understandable that they didn't want to make it cross-browser, but that flaw just makes it uncompetitive when compared to Bitwarden who don't have a vested interest in making it only work on one browser.

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@imnotjames 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

Ah, you got me by a minute to submit.

This is a bummer but not surprising. There have been a number of outstanding bugs that were never addressed and releases were slowing down - even when github commits were getting backed up.

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@heavyset_go 6 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

If it isn't already open source, they should release the code for the back end service given that the clients are open source[1].

[1] https://github.com/orgs/mozilla-lockwise/repositories

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@rodgerd 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

It appears that the Mozilla project is not just copying Chrome's look and feel for browser releases, but also copying Google's strategy of launching things and then abandoning them.

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@rswail 6 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

So I have lockwise but I have two different firefox identities/profiles to separate work and personal. I'm an Apple eco-system person, but keychain/icloud ties itself to my login/apple user id.

Anyone know of a password manager that:

a) integrates and is native in MacOS

b) integrates in iOS

c) synchronizes across platforms

d) allows for separation of identities and selection when autofilling in

1) browsers

2) iOS applications

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@ihaveajob 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

Very annoying. I use Firefox, but I also loved Lockwise as a general password manager for other apps. What's the next best?

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@someotherperson 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

Extremely happy about this. Mozilla has one job: building a browser. Half baked apps like Lockwise are a waste of everyone's time, including theirs. That's why they're failing terribly at their one job.

Hopefully we see more culling of similar products and so that the engineering budget can steer back towards building a better browser and hopefully working back towards having a decent slice of the market.

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@captn3m0 6 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

While Firefox does have export/import - I'm wondering if there's a free and secure password manager with an API?

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@ruined 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

well that's a little annoying. apparently this was published a few days ago and i guess we just all got the email.

they mention continued pm support for ios, but not android? is that discontinuing?

edit: android pm support is integrated too

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@schmorptron 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

This sucks. From the outside, Mozilla management just seems incompetent, killing good product after good product while not launching anything worthwhile to replace them.

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@jdlshore 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

Before everybody gets up in arms from the headline, they're just moving/keeping this feature into the Firefox browser. The article says:

> Firefox for iOS will already sync your saved Lockwise passwords. You can currently only use those inside Firefox. Check back for updates in December 2021 on how to use Firefox for iOS as your system-wide password manager. [It's already there on Firefox for Android.]

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@JoshTriplett 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

I discovered recently that Firefox itself can work as a password manager on Android. I had Lockwise installed so that I could use Firefox saved passwords in other Android apps, and now it turns out Firefox can do that directly.

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@yownie 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

Time after time Firefox makes moves that piss off it's user base. Simultaneously wondering why it lags behind in market share.

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@morpheuskafka 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

> Check back for updates in December 2021 on how to use Firefox for iOS as your system-wide password manager.

It looks like they are working on integrating this functionality into the main Firefox apps, which makes more branding sense anyway. As it was the password management was just a feature of the browser on desktop, but a whole different product with its own brand name on mobile.

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@reiichiroh 6 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

I knew this was inevitable and was why I held off trying or moving to this.

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@jckahn 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

What does this mean for iOS Lockwise users who use it as a system-level password manager? Will we be able to use Firefox for the same purpose?

I had to switch back to Safari from Firefox on iOS because the latter had so many issues and missing features by comparison. Lockwise was the only solution from a developer I trust for syncing passwords between Ubuntu and iOS, and iCloud passwords are unavailable on Linux.

I really hope iOS Firefox is updated to support system-level password management!

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@hadrien01 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

That’s really a shame. I’ve installed Lockwise for my parents on iOS because it was the simplest way to use their Firefox passwords on the computer and on iOS devices. They don’t need something as complicated as Bitwarden or Lastpass, just a simple password manager. Sure, I can install Firefox on their devices, but that’s an icon more they won’t understand.

Can’t say I didn’t see it coming. Lockwise was full of bugs and hadn’t been updated for quite some time.

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@crossroadsguy 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

It's great that Mozilla is stopping something it's not at all good at and isn't its main strength.

What is worse that it keeps doing such things - starting and then killing services one after another; and never learns. So in the end it's nothing great.

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@pqb 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

Very sad to see Lockwise being sunsetted. It provided good basis for new product that actually could be a competitor to 1password. However, I felt in guts it will have problem with traction, because it seemed too opinionated for me. I have noticed some people wanted to use Lockwise just like a password manager. However, by a long time it was a read-only client for Firefox Sync. No silly OTP calculator to cover Google Authenticator logic. It also didn't support custom Sync Servers, which made a bad taste for very advanced users. Mozilla is losing yet another niche, where Lockwise could be a profitable, open-source full-featured product.

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@ksec 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

I try to give Mozilla some benefits of doubt and wasted 5 min trying to search for an official note, PR , blog or something that provides more detail, in a simple and clear manner to explain the situation.

They could have worded it as All Lockwise functions being integrated into Firefox, iOS version coming in December.

Nope, this is it. Or may be it is me being dumb. But judging from some comments here this support document is extremely unclear.

Which is very typical of modern day Mozilla.

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@owaislone 7 days

Replying to @tfehring 🎙

This is so so so sad. I use firefox as my main browser and lockwise was so much useful when I needed to log into something on my phone. Very disappointing.

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