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Apple is discontinuing the iPod

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Apple is discontinuing the iPod


@perardi 13 days

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Looks like I finally moved my dad from an iPod touch to an iPhone SE at the right time.

(He was convinced, for whatever reason, he couldn’t figure out how to use an iPhone…despite he uses an iPod touch, and an iPad, and quite fluently. And within 1 day he was delighted, because he finally had something approximating a useful camera in his pocket.)

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@willswire 13 days

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Honestly I'm surprised that it took Apple this long to take this product behind the barn and shoot it.

My first device was an iPod touch - but the iPhone is better (clearly). A consolidated line-of-effort for one less platform will be helpful, I think, in allocating talent behind the other products that matter.

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@tomjen3 13 days

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I mean if Steve was around he would remind you all that as far as Apple is concerned the iPhone is the best iPod they ever made.

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@can16358p 13 days

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To be honest I was surprised that it lived on this long, and couldn't even understand why Apple released the 7th generation. It doesn't have a non-niche use, at least not in any profitable form worth supporting a device category.

It was great for its time and I've owned and loved my iPod touches, but we can't expect a for-profit company to keep selling a device with no future and only a niche market, eventhough the device was iconic at some point in the past.

Good move, and a big cherish to the iPod for changing the way we listen to music back then.

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@tfitz237 13 days

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The Music Lives On [... while supplies last]

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@jrochkind1 13 days

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I'm still using an IPod Nano 5th generation (2009).

I bought it off ebay as a replacement for my iPod Nano 4th generation (2008) that was stolen in a home break-in!

I love it. I dread the day the battery stops working, which it will eventually, and which is probably the only thing that would ever lead the thing not working anymore.

I still put podcasts and mp3's on it. I listen to it in my car (which is also old enough to work with it via a hardwire USB hookup, I also dread the day I replace my car with one that own't), or with headphones when walking.

I've become one of those middle-aged people who doesn't want to change. But the iPod nano still seems like amazing futuristic science fiction technology to me. it's tiny. It Just Works. (although MacOS has started having trouble sync'ing files to it without going crazy with duplicate files, I'm afraid).

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@deergomoo 13 days

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There is a part of me that wants to abandon streaming services and just buy a couple of albums per month based on what I think might be cool. I find myself enjoying music significantly less now I have unlimited access to everything I could ever want. It’s become disposable; just background noise rather than something I’m actively experiencing.

There is also a part of me that wants to take those albums and keep them on an old click-wheel iPod. I always thought the early iPod nanos were among the best consumer hardware devices ever made. Just the right mix of boxy and round; small enough to be novel (at least at the time), but large enough to still be perfectly usable. Unfortunately, finding one that both holds a charge and isn’t battered to all hell is quite difficult these days, and even so, it’s much harder to justify a single use device for music when I literally always have my phone with me.

As someone who was a teen when the iPod really started taking off, it was a constant presence during the time music was starting to become an important part of my life. Sad to see it go, even though really it’s been gone since the iPhone launched.

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@duxup 13 days

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I think the iPod was somewhere in the area where I discovered all the nice to have features and polish of Apple products that made me admire Apple. (I was into PCs long before that but my exposure to Apple was limited and I wasn't all that impressed)

By no means was the iPod perfect, and it was effectively the same product as many other media players that came before and after, other products even had more features sometimes ... and yet the friction of using the iPod was just lower to the point that I enjoyed using it more than other media players at the time.

It's a mysterious process to me finding those places to make use of a thing easier, more intuitive and etc. When something is bad it is easy to see, but there's a step beyond "take away the bad friction" that I'm always wondering about when I'm building things. I never quite reach that Apple-ish feel.

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@closedloop129 13 days

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Too soon. The iPod would be the perfect companion for an Apple Watch once there is a bit more energy available in the battery of the watch.

Instead of selling the watch as an add-on to the phone, the watch could be the central device and the screen of the iPod could be brought out when the voice assistants come to their rare limits.

There is no need for a phone when better screens are available most of the times (e.g. at the desk, the car or the tv).

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@booboofixer 13 days

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This is great news. I have an old iPod touch that i kept because it had no trade-in value. Can't wait for it to be worth something in about a decade or however long it takes for these electronics to become 'vintage'. Also, if anyone wants to pay $$$ for a 2012 Macbook Air..

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@jsiaajdsdaa 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

I kind of liked having a phone without phone service. Good use for kids.

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@anupamchugh 13 days

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So we can now replicate the iPod-wheel UI design in iOS apps. Right? I remember Apple's App Store review team would reject those apps earlier

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@playpause 13 days

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For the last 2 years I’ve been using an iPod touch as my “downtime” device. I usually put my iPhone away in a drawer from early evening until I’m ready to start work the next day. I found this impossible to stick to until I got an iPod touch, because in the evenings and mornings I often need to manage things like HomeKit devices or other Apple ecosystem things like Reminders. I don’t have any distracting or time-sucking apps on the iPod touch, and the screen is small and fiddly, so I barely use it except for a few seconds here and there for something practical. The difference in stress levels and mindset has been huge. I can’t recommend highly enough separating your phone usage into ‘social/work/news/comms’ and ‘practical/home/calm’ categories, on different physical devices.

I have tried using the new iOS Focus and Downtime features to make my iPhone work a similar way (hide all the time-sucking apps at certain times of day etc), but having a dedicated device for the purpose is much simpler and much more effective.

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@hancholo 13 days

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I went down a rabbit hole a few months ago and bought an ipod classic 5.5 with the wolfson dac for ~$40, I plan to modify it a bit storage and battery wise, and possibly some cosmetic mods. I also researched IEM's and paired it with some 'Chi-Fi' IEM's like the moondrop Aria and then got some aftermarket spinfit tips and changed the headphone cable to something of better quality. I plan on upgrading the IEM's to something more expensive but right now these are a good first pair for $70.

The real reason I did all this was because I got nostalgia and could not afford an iPod back in the day but now I see myself buying more exclusive harder to find music because nothing is more annoying that having playlists on Spotify where songs are no longer available/blacked out or deleted rare music from youtube due to copyrights. I would like to have some kind of ownership over my music independent from an internet connection or a streaming service (nice to discover new music) dacs of course are not as good as modern phones of today but goddamit-NOSTALGIA!

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@standardUser 13 days

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I only ever owned one MP3 player and it was a cheap little thing that ran on a single AAA battery. Plug it into my computer, drag and drop a few dozen albums worth of music, grab some extra batteries and I could listen to music indefinitely when I travelled. Never saw any need for something more than this, and I still don't!

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@hlesesne 12 days

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I work for a company who has purchased iPods for years to deploy a LOB application that uses a specific sled for the iPod with a barcode reader. We buy 100s per year once the batteries expand. Gonna take a lot of developer effort to rewrite.

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@sydthrowaway 13 days

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Remember what.cd?

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@flint 13 days

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Vinyl, and a burbon manhattan. No screens in the room.

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@peterburkimsher 13 days

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Dear Apple,

The iPod changed my life when I was 12 years old. I gave you 6 months of my savings to pay half the price of an iPod (the other half was a Christmas present).

Your sticker said "Don't steal music."

So I stole music. I repaired friends' iPods. Now I work in Embedded Systems.

Now I can't fix my original iPod 1st Generation (P68 Prod) because I don't have the parts. I tried to buy your 5GB hard drive but that didn't work. I asked Tony Fadell and he put a <3 on the tweet.

https://twitter.com/tfadell/status/1520470531123945474

What is your intellectual property team protecting now? Please can you share the schematic and boardview for the old iPod? It's my "right to repair" or something like that. And the wonderful company that I work for here in New Zealand has an amazing lab with all the tools for fixing everything.

God bless you! Peter

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@aj7 13 days

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Original iPod 1st generations are going for $180-$500 on ebay.

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@reaperducer 13 days

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Sad to see the iPod go. I have an iPhone, but it's not the same. There's a lot of value in unitaskers.

I have a long train trip coming up. I'll have my iPhone with me, but I'll also bring my iPod shuffles. They're simply better suited to the task than to have to deal with all the compromises of a device that tries to be everything to everyone all the time.

- Vastly superior battery time. In part, because it's not trying to do a million things other than play music.

- Better ergonomically. I can lay in my berth at night with my wired earbuds and listen with a tiny, durable device instead of a large, fragile device. It's not tragic if I roll over on a Shuffle, or drop it out the side of the bed.

- A shuffle on a small train table takes up much less space than an iPhone. Or no space at all, since I can clip it to my clothing.

- To me, the Shuffles just sound better than the phone. I'm sure there are a million blogs that dispute this with all kinds of mathematical blather. But I use the same earbuds with my Shuffles and my iPhone, and the Shuffles just sound better to my ears.

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@deanCommie 13 days

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All the comments lamenting the "end of the iPod" are premature IMO.

Give it a maximum of 5 years, and there'll be some social trend to offer an "minimally online" device to help you disconnect better from your overwhelming digital firehose in the interest of "wellbeing", and some new iPod device will come back.

The 2020's equivalent of the iPod shuffle - deliberately feature limited for a very specific market.

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@gnat 13 days

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Shame! A bunch of our retail clients use them as in-store devices for staff who walk the retail floor -- they don't need to make calls or take gigapixel photos so the iPhone is overkill (and thus expensive) for them. I expect they'll move to Android and mourn the loss of cachet ...

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@richardjdare 13 days

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The end of an era. I used the iPod Touch to develop and use iOs apps without spending money on an iPhone. It was a relatively reasonably priced gateway into the Apple app ecosystem.

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@etoulas 12 days

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We use iPods in a B2B wholesale context. The biggest advantages for us:

- Apple ecosystem

- long lifecycle of the devices

- standardised form factor for laser barcode scanner sleeves

- controlled environment in terms of OS versions and screen size variaty

- low price / costs for the users

What will Apple offer for B2B niche use cases in the future?

Edit: formatting

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@0000011111 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Ya, I switched to VLC on Android years ago.

And; yt-dlp --recode-video mp3 https://youtu.be/P5JplB64m5U

Most of my collection for research purposes of course.

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@bigdict 13 days

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> Apple is discontinuing the iPod

They never actually say so in the press release.

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@neilobremski 13 days

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I'm not sure I ever considered the iPod Touch a music player; Apple hasn't made a decent MUSIC PLAYER in years. They've made a lot of very capable portable computers that sit on your wrist or rest in your pocket but there's a lot more noise than signal coming from them ...

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@izzydata 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🗣

Sony is still making modern variants of the Walkman. I'm not a big fan of their Android powered versions, but I like the slightly earlier versions that can only play music.

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@DizzyDoo 13 days

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I imagine that Apple would never bring back an iPod in the future with the clicky wheel because it could be perceived as 'backwards looking' and cuts against their desired image as 'innovators' who bring out the 'next thing'. Bit sad, because my memory of the later generations of the Nano is that it was an excellent device.

It's probably true that most people just get their music and podcasts through streaming services on their phones though, so perhaps they don't care to keep a niche product around.

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@karmakaze 13 days

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I've owned so many iPods from the very first and loved each one. Now I don't care for ~iTunes~/Apple Music and the dumbed-down walled garden that it lives it. It's not even because I carry a smartphone. Just the other day I was researching non-Apple music players.

To me the iPod died with the introduction of the Touch which was a cheap iPhone, that had lower quality standards even in the area of sound quality. iPhones have no headphone jack so they're not suitable listening devices if you care about audio quality (or are willing to carry an external DAC). Apple Music makes nothing about managing music on any Apple device great.

M1 Macs are doing well, and still waiting to see what happens with iPadOS and if it can live up the the 'OS' name in terms of creation not consumption apps.

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@robotnikman 13 days

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I remember having one in highschool, good times, back when all the games on the app store were maybe a few $ at most and in app purchases were mostly unheard of.

iShoot was one of my favorite games to play on it, I miss it.

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@BeFlatXIII 13 days

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My big surprise was that they were still selling iPods. I thought there was a hullabaloo about them being discontinued a few years ago. Is my memory just failing?

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@Maursault 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🗣

I don't get it. Though iPod Touch is a lotta bit of feature creep, surely the portable media player market is still profitable. I just want it to play music and fit all my music in my change pocket. Bring back the iPod Shuffle!

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@javier_e06 13 days

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I have the ipod nano 7th gen with a radio tuner! I also have the 1st gen apple shuffle, that one that looks like a usb stick. I hate all things apple (The Disney of Story Telling) but those 2 gadgets I keep in the kitchen crap drawer.

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@tempnow987 13 days

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My standard view is, you should be able to read just the headlines and have some clue about what is happening. Modern marketing means headlines have gone to absolute trash. You can't tell product updates from just stupid SEO spam articles (tips to do x with y). You can't tell product intros from outros.

I do like AWS style announcements. Their headlines are a bit long, but skimming them it's the what, and then the tag

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/

For week in review I wish they did parens for services - ie, Week in review (RDS, IAM, ECS).

Some services are basically dead from an updates perspective, others like RDS seem to have pretty solid budgets.

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@ricardobeat 13 days

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Sad news. I've been waiting for a chin-less upgrade for a while, it made for an amazing gaming/music device, and also a cheap high-quality touch screen remote for random hacks.

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@wollsmoth 13 days

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RIP. I still have a classic in a box somewhere.

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@Wump 13 days

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Maybe they'll finally remove "iPod Touch (7th generation)" as the default selected simulator in XCode :)

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@mjr00 13 days

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I had a 6th gen iPod Classic that I used for almost 15 years before it finally died on me a few months back. Dedicated music players nowadays are a niche market, so it was really hard to find a replacement. I ended up getting a FiiO M5, and while it's definitely got some pros -- much better sound quality, can pop in a 512GB/1TB SD card for effectively infinite space for compressed songs, can play FLAC/WAV/OGG -- the ergonomics of the iPod were just so much better. It's funny how seemingly little things can be so frustrating: there's only enough space on the screen for 4 names at a time, the scrolling isn't adaptive so it takes forever to get to the bottom, the play order isn't consistent with the song display order within a folder... I used to love just browsing my music collection on my iPod on the train to work, but with the M5 I'll just pick an album or playlist and press play. It's just not as fun to flip through music.

I don't consider myself an Apple fanboy, but the iPod was a rock solid product that got all of the little things right. Given that the market for standalone DAPs is tiny because most people today just use their phones and music streaming apps, it's unlikely that we'll ever see a music player that compares to it.

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@arriu 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

It’ll be back, just give it 10 years.

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@stereoradonc 13 days

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An iPhone is an iPod with calling facility.

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@nfriedly 13 days

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Shucks. I was hoping they'd finally release a new one.

I have an old 6th gen iPod touch that I recently replaced the battery in, and my son uses it a lot. I had thought about getting another one for my daughter, but I was waiting in hopes that apple would release an 8th gen sometime soon.

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@musesum 13 days

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Live music provided a sense of belonging.

Radio provided shared stories and feelings.

The Walkman provided a soundtrack for my life.

The iPod provided a full solo theater of emotions.

Smart playlists now provide a feeling of serendipity.

But, that personalized experience feels selfish and hollow.

Maybe I should get out more.

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@DeathArrow 13 days

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iPod was the first product that made Apple a large amount of money after a long time of trouble.

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@smm11 13 days

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I had an iPod something-or-other, and I think it gave Spotify the idea of shuffling maybe 45 songs of thousands over-and-over, and completely ignoring 93 percent of the music.

I might pick one of these up so I can do that now in color.

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@slotrans 13 days

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I still use my 2006 iPod. It's a 5.5th generation model that came with an 80GB HDD and IIRC I paid $400 for it.

The battery eventually died. Replacements are about $8 and the surgery is easy.

What makes a huge difference though is replacing the HDD with a board that holds an SD card. The board plus a 256GB card cost me around $75 total. The physical swap is relatively simple, and migrating your data is as simple as making a backup through iTunes and restoring it.

I mostly leave it plugged into my car, which has native support for controlling it. Unlike anything Bluetooth, it actually works!

Oh, and I buy music on Bandcamp. Fuck streaming.

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@sleepybrett 13 days

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unfortunate, the ipod touch was a super handy device for all kinds of applications. Great for giving to kids so they could have an 'iphone'. Bought a ton of these back in the day and paired them to bluetooth pairable RFID reader/writer guns for an RFID retail POC. Nice to be able to write software for a platform you know, or can easily hire for, and deploy it to this kind of device. They often have either weird built in SOCs with proprietary apis for UIs.. though sometimes you are now seeing built in android devices so shrug.

End of an era I guess. Couldn't just rebrand it the 'iPad Micro' and keep selling it :)

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@gjulianm 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

I still have a 4th gen iPod Nano, that despite some heavy use in the past still works and plays music perfectly well. I remember it fondly, it was a very well designed piece of hardware. Light, easy controls that could be used without looking, durable, small...

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@needle0 13 days

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What a press release: the actual main message -- iPod touch is being discontinued -- has been weasel-worded out of the entire text, to the point that a non-native reader of English wouldn't even be able to decipher what it's trying to say.

I get that it's second nature for corporate marketing to try to dampen the message when they're taking something away, but this is on a whole new level.

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@m3kw9 13 days

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A10 Fusion chip from 5 years back, must be discontinuing the line

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@postit 13 days

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Just bought one for each of my kids with their names engraved, I’ll load with my favorite albums and leave in storage, in 15 years there will be a revival of ipods and they’ll have a choice to play the hipster card.

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@Apocryphon 13 days

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The iPod touch has got to be the last PDA. Smartphones are the realization of the '90s vision of PDAs, with cellular capability and additional features included, but it's interesting how standalone PDAs no longer exist.

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@ilamont 13 days

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Used the iOS models as a poor man's iPhone (with Skype) and my first connected digital camera to share on Instagram and elsewhere.

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@dry_soup 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🗣

The article notes that the first iPod touch came out in 2007. That was just six years after the first inch-thick iPod with a monochrome screen and magnetic storage. The pace of technology really does seem to have slowed down.

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@black_puppydog 13 days

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Great, then they surely won't hesitate now to release any and all documentation for their old hardware, to prevent millions of devices from becoming useless junk even though they're perfectly fine, hardware wise. I've got a nice iPod touch 6th gen here that will be perfect as an mp3 player on linux or rockbox.

Gonna hold my breath now, okay? :)

/s

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@lostgame 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🗣

Lots of frankly silly comments here suggesting parents buy an iPhone without a SIM instead of an iPod Touch?

Assuming you buy them new, the cheapest iPhone is $399 vs. the $199 iPod Touch. Buying used is often a mixed bag. An iPad Mini is $499!

This is basically just a kick in the pants to parents who bought these for their kids.

Guess those parents are going to go off and buy another brand and type of product now, since Apple refuses to offer a price-equivalent product for kids like this. I don't think it would've hurt Apple to keep producing this product...

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@kawsper 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

I guess that was destined to happen.

I still use my 6th generation iPod Nano, mostly for radio, but the usefulness of it is dwindling as more and more stations move away from the FM-band and go digital, it's still a cool device and it also still works with Music/iTunes.

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@SamBam 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Perhaps a silly question: is there any way to get music (saved mp3 files) onto an old 5th-gen nano from a Chromebook?

Thinking of getting one for my daughter, who has a Chromebook from school. Of course I could manage it from my Mac, but it would be nice to give her the power.

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@killjoywashere 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Reading the comments of the young'uns here, yes, you should buy an iPod and keep music on it. As a child of the 80s and 90s, I re-found mechanical pencils and it changed my 40s. I kid you not. I'm so happy to pick up a mechanical pencil, it's ridiculous. Why? I don't know. Who cares? Happy.

Be happy, humans. Be happy.

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@at_a_remove 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

So, and this is probably a doomed question, where are the people who are into MP3 players hang out and discuss minutae? Because it seems like they would be the ones to ask about finding something to fit each person's specific requirements (headphone jacks? Battery life? UX? Avoidance of Android under the hood? Decent DACs? File formats? Playlist types supported? Gapless playback?) amidst the absolute sea of jankety choices out there.

My prediction is that -- if there isn't such a forum, one will start soon. It's too big of a niche and I'm told that Apple filled it reasonably well.

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@Gaussian 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

I always thought of the iPod as THE inflection point for Apple. Not the 1998 iMac, not the iPhone, even though it was the latter that made Apple the company it is today. But I think the iPod put Apple on a track to get to the iPhone-it's why Apple/Jobs were even thinking about it. The pod and the phone shared form factors and have always been intertwined in my mind. For that reason, when the iPhone came out, I automatically assumed that Apple had just killed its iPod business. I was wrong, but I suppose that it did eventually come to pass... 15 years later.

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@KingMachiavelli 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Not surprising but it's fun to reminisce about the iPod Touch. While not technically my first iPod/tech device, it was certainly the first computer that was actually my own which was pretty cool in 2008. I certainly attribute my current tech career to Jailbreaking, it was a great way to learn about Unix style systems.

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@mwint 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

The iPod touch was so great for me as a kid, it provided an accessible (read - cheap) platform I could plug into a Mac and deploy iOS apps to at a young age.

Now there's really no reason to keep it around, as you can get an off-contract used iPhone that is better in every dimension for less money. Still feel a bit sad to see it leave.

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@sandreas 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

I still use my iPods because love to keep my music and audiobooks at home (not in the cloud).

After a lot of research I'm currently testing self hosted solutions:

- Navidrome [1] + Substreamer [4]

- Audiobookshelf[2] + Audiobookshelf-App [5]

- Nokia 1.3 phone [3] without sim (<100$, small, headphone jack, Changeable battery, microSD slot)

Just in case someone finds this interesting: It looks promising to me, but I've not tested the audio quality in detail, which might be a huge difference to the high quality output of iPods.

[1] https://www.navidrome.org/

[2] https://github.com/advplyr/audiobookshelf

[3] https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/nokia-1-3

[4] https://substreamerapp.com/

[5] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.audiobooks...

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@paxys 13 days

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End of an era. This was the last iPod still being sold right? Definitely one of the most impactful consumer products/brands ever.

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@oh_hello 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

This does jump out to me is a surprisingly profound. I was a freshman in college when the iPod first came out. I was a huge Apple fan, but didn't get their move into consumer electronics. It was so expensive. Why weren't they building more cool Macs instead? 10 years later I was putting serious time toward learning how to develop for the App Store. Another 10 years later and that path has had a profound effect on my career and life. Thinking back to the moment my friend Peter showed me the gen 1 iPod he bought on launch day, the vision, progression, and brilliance you can tie back to that product is astounding.

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@LeoPanthera 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🗣

I haven't tried this in a long time, but is it now possible to set up an iPhone without a SIM card in it?

The last time I tried this (years ago, admittedly) the iPhone would not "activate" without a working SIM card.

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@cmckn 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

My first iPod was the 1st generation Nano. I still think it's one of the most beautiful products ever made. I'll miss the iPod era; they really were just magical products, and probably the reason I became interested in the Mac.

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@LAC-Tech 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

I still use an mp3 player (sony walkman).

A smart phone is a poor substitute. The walkmans battery lasts much longer, it's simpler to transfer music too (it's just a USB drive), I can alter the volume change/track just by feel without having to pull it out of my pocket, I can just plug it into my cars USB port, I can drop it, I don't have to use a touch screen or update an OS..,

EDIT: just looked it up, mine is the B series, basically a thumb drive with a little display and some touch controls.

https://store.sony.co.nz/walkman/NWZB183FL.html

I haven't used the much more expensive ZX series which seems... well a bit pointless to me. Like I said, big advantage of my B series as I can do it all by tactile feel without looking at a screen.

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@omar_alt 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

It would be interesting to show the market capitalisation of all major record labels vs Apple over the last 25 years. File sharing was given a massive leg up at the expense of recorded music and looking back it was really the underground and independent labels that have perished.

When it comes to competing for attention music has a lot more to compete with now than it did then. If I had to predict I can't see a significant cultural change happening like in the 20th century unless new musical instruments are invented

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@pachico 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

At the time I compared different models and none looked good to me as the Archos gmini 220.

iPod users were in awe when saw what this little machine could achieve.

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@amelius 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

The end of the podcast?

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@Cthulhu_ 12 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

I miss my old ipods. I got an ipod mini as a gift from my parents at a graduation age... 19 I think. I traveled to the US for reasons and got a nylon cover for it, making it massively overbuilt but it was a very personal thing for me.

It got stolen from my coat pocket at the canteen area at my weekend job; the lockers were always occupied. Probably by this weasely looking kid who got a new scooter not much later. The company gave me a gift certificate to get a new one out of graciousness I guess, they weren't obligated, and I used that to get an ipod nano.

I mean it was good, but not the same. Anyway, I too loved that one. I contemplated getting an iphone (3G at the time), but eventually decided against it because I'd be locked into a phone contract, without actually using a phone that much, so instead I got an ipod touch. It was neat for having a screen and apps and no contract, but not the same. I ended up using it alongside a regular flip phone for years, and later I got an Android phone (a cheap Samsung) but it languished in my bag because I much preferred the Apple interface and syncing.

Eventually I got an iphone through work and got rid of the flip phone. My ipod touch is in a drawer somewhere, I sometimes charge it up but don't really use it, it's too slow.

Anyway TL;DR I want an ipod mini / nano again, just for music and maybe podcasts, but there's not been any decent competitors filling the gap. I don't really understand why Apple doesn't have more competition for high-end portable devices.

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@technotarek 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🗣

I’ve always imagined that an iPod-something would be my child’s first camera/media device. We’re not ready for that leap yet (at only 3 1/2 yo), but I’m curious — what are others opting for in this use case?

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@jimt1234 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Sorta-related topic: I like to listen to music while I run. I currently use a 7th Gen iPod Nano. It works because it's small and it has Bluetooth; I just put it in my pocket and go. However, I would rather have this same functionality (play music, Bluetooth) on a wristwatch device, as the iPod bouncing around in my pocket can be kinda annoying.

All the popular "smart watch" devices are packed with functionality I just don't want - not interested in having my fitness tracked or reading text messages while I run. I just want music and Bluetooth, and I guess a stopwatch/timer, too. That's it.

I've looked around and the best I could find was a wristwatch device straight outta Shenzhen. I bought it, and unsurprisingly, it was junk.

Does anyone know of a quality wristwatch device that only plays music and has Bluetooth (and stopwatch/timer)? Does a product like this exist? Or, is it "smart watch" or nothing (or junk)?

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@1970-01-01 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🗣

I want to think the iPod just became the iPhone without the LTE radio, and manufacturing more iPhones is simply cheaper for Apple. Is there any difference between the iPod touch and the iPhone for media consumption?

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@alexott 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🗣

I’m using 13 old iPod for one simple reason - its very handy for music and podcasts. Just set the play list “didn’t listen for N weeks” and music is automatically synced, listened podcasts are removed and new are uploaded, etc.

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@GeekyBear 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Looking online, a used 256 Gig iPhone 8 from Gazelle is about $150 cheaper than a new 256 Gig iPod Touch despite having a newer SOC.

https://buy.gazelle.com/collections/iphones/products/iphone-...

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@GekkePrutser 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Crap :( I always loved the iPod Touch as a secure but tiny device. I use it like a "Secure Element" with my most trusted stuff on it.

I hope the current generation goes on offer before they sell out. Here in Europe there's never been a significant sale on them. I got my current previous-gen for 139 euro but the current model has never been below 200 here.

An iPhone is way too expensive (even the SE is ridiculously expensive in Europe) and I don't want second-hand / "refurbished" crap that third party sellers will have put questionable batteries in. And I don't need a SIM.

But I guess what I want is a really small niche.

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@vinceguidry 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Some people wanted to believe that Apple's removal of the headphone jack was 'brave' instead of a complete crock of profit-seeking shit, to them I would say that you could buy an iDevice that makes calls and texts, or one with a headphone jack, but not one that could do both. There were two iDevices with headphone jacks left, iPod Touch and the iPad. (iPad Air and iPod Pro don't have them) Now there's just one left, and none that fit in a pocket. Once they discontinue the iPad, your only options will be flaky or nonworking dongles, special-buying wired devices with USB or lightning ports with predictably mediocre sound quality, or eye-wateringly expensive and delicate, and often unreliable, wireless devices.

My last Apple hardware purchase was over five years ago.

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@shp0ngle 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Well... in 2022, if you want the "iPod Touch experience", just with better chip - just buy iPhone SE 3 and don't put SIM in.

It's basically the same form factor, can do the same things, just with better chip by 5 generations.

It costs 2 times more; but it's also leagues faster.

Or you can buy SE 2, which is still faster than iPod Touch, and goes for about the same price.

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@greenie_beans 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

but does it have a headphone jack tho

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@ErneX 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

“No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame”

20 years, huge run.

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@gtvwill 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Eh another lump in apples pile of "it still works but now it e-waste" design strat. Just like the early gen still working but discontinued and no longer supported iPads on my cupboard next to me.

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@at_a_remove 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

I have been considering getting some kind of dedicated music-playing device. I have a very cheap plan and am not interested in streaming. So I guess this gets ruled out, although the Itunes reputation itself was already something of a negative.

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@drusepth 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Can you imagine the ridicule Apple would face if they released an iPod without a headphone jack? This seems like a heavy-handed but natural progression of a certain unfortunate series of recent hardware decisions. :(

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@newsclues 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🗣

Bring back the iPod Classic with a click wheel, modern connectivity for BL and WiFi to get podcasts and solid state storage please.

I don't want a phone (all the time) anymore.

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@drawkbox 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

I actually think this is a mistake. Lots of kids use it as a handheld gaming device. It is perfect for that. iPad Mini is also great for that but iPod is cheaper and can be replaced more regularly.

When Apple came out with the iPod Touch it made a huge impact in the handheld gaming world. It even caused some gaming companies to focus on handheld more. Now with the Nintendo Switch (even 3DS), SteamDeck and even prior with the PSP there is more competition there. However, it still allows kids to have a device that has their Apple games and not have to use parents phones or having to get them a phone to play.

iPod Touch was one thing Apple had over competitors before the iPad and iPad mini, there wasn't a comparable Android handheld that wasn't a phone.

We make handheld/mobile games and our iPod Touches are nice to have to test smaller screens over using iPhones and optimizing for the smaller devices makes the iPad devices perform better. Lots of gaming companies buy touches up.

I think this is a mistake that will impact them on some of the handheld gaming side. It will also mean more parents phones being used over getting them a more expensive iPad or iPad Touch. It may end up with less devices sold and less games played on Apple devices.

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@FunnyBadger 11 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

I feel prescient. I bought a fully loaded iPod last summer to use in my car. Streaming is NOT an option where I live and I didn't want to pollute my phone with my enormous music collection.

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@y0d4 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

I only have owned one Apple product ever and that's an early gen iPod that I bought used ~10 years ago. It still holds great charge (around twelve hours) with the optimal screen dimming settings, even despite year-long periods of inactivity. Every part of it still works.

I am a Linux fanboy so take it from me that this was actually a great product.

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@no-dr-onboard 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

"the music _lives_ on" as a title to describe the death of the iPod is such an intolerable attempt at paltering.

As my XO used to say, "Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining."

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@DLA 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

I’m so miss the ipod nano. Just bought a new ipod last week because sometimes I just want music and books. Audible book sync with iWatch is total shit and rarely works. When I run i don’t want to carry a phone. I feel this is a bad move by Apple but I (somewhat) get it.

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@musicale 12 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Bummer, I wish they'd bring back the iPod touch.

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@______-_-______ 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

A very carefully worded press release. They didn't want to come out and say it, but the iPod product line has been discontinued.

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@jfultz 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Looks like Apple's dumping their final handheld* device with a 3.5mm headphone jack. Let's once more admire their courage.

* There's still one iPad model with a headphone jack, but that's not quite in my definition of "handheld".

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@dangoor 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

This seems like the most indirect way possible to say "we're discontinuing the last iPod". _Most_ of the content of this press release is fine, in my opinion, but saying "iPod Touch is available while supplies last" just doesn't seem like a great way to phrase it.

Am I wrong about that?

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@Ninjinka 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

When I was a kid, I was looking to buy my first gaming device. I was debating between getting a Nintendo DS and the 4th gen iPod, ultimately deciding on the iPod. This ended up being a great choice as I was able to get more games than I would have been able to on the DS and it opened up a world of being able to text my friends (primarily through Words with Friends at the time).

It's a shame it's being discontinued, it was the perfect first device for children.

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@asciimov 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🗣

That's a damned shame, the iPod Touch was a great way to give kids a "phone" without giving them a real phone.

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@DerekBickerton 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🗣

Damn I love these devices. For me they were a sort of very mini iPad in an iPhone form factor and I loved how they didn't have a baseband processor. Always laughed when trying to download Whatsapp onto them and got an 'Incompatible' message in the app store.

Apple never released new versions frequently though, meaning certain apps became incompatible over time, since iPods couldn't be updated to the latest iOS. My fifth gen device was stuck on iOS 9 for a number of years now and it basically became unusable (and very insecure since apps couldn't be updated along with the OS).

I will be snapping up as many devices as I can from AliExpress & eBay though. Still worth having a few to toy around & tinker with.

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@mdoms 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🗣

Ipod was dead to me when they killed the Shuffle, the only Apple product I genuinely liked.

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@salmo 12 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Funny how people complain about Apple dropping devices, but this has hung around so long. Thought it was dead years ago. Real use would have been a fake phone for kids.

I see so many bemoaning streaming. Your iPhone can store far more music than an old HDD iPod. Don’t see the difference.

I mostly stream with Spotify. It recommends good obscure music for me, and I can find most of the weird 70s/80s punk I love.

I still have my old records and use them when I want that captive experience. I kept my CDs of super obscure local bands.

For me it’s not an xor, but an and. I like both the new and old experiences. And I still listen to albums more than songs.

The streaming sound quality isn’t nearly as cringe inducing as old MP3s. I’m no audiophile, but hated MP3 less than barely compressed. That crunch on the high end was brutal.

I don’t miss maintaining ripped CDs: fixing metadata, keeping FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, and MP3 for different devices, etc. Never bothered recording my records. I’ll never understand anyone longing for cassette tapes beyond personal mix tapes.

I do still pay for records when I love an album just to kick them more $. But they mostly just go on the wall or collect dust in a bin. I usually only listen to my old LPs.

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@DerekBickerton 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Damn I love these devices. For me they were a sort of very mini iPad in an iPhone form factor and I loved how they didn't have a baseband processor. Always laughed when trying to download Whatsapp onto them and got an 'Incompatible' message in the app store.

Apple never released new versions frequently though, meaning certain apps became incompatible over time, since iPods couldn't be updated to the latest iOS. My fifth gen device was stuck on iOS 9 for a number of years now and it basically became unusable (and very insecure since apps couldn't be updated along with the OS).

I will be snapping up as many devices as I can from AliExpress & eBay though. Still worth having a few to toy around & tinker with.

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@compiler-guy 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🗣

"No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame."

Twenty years is a long time.

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@sizzle 12 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

I miss my Zune

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@nileshtrivedi 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

Since smartphoners have taken over, we are seeing most businesses insisting on users' owning and sharing their phone numbers. WiFi-only devices like iPod Touch could have played an important role in resisting this trend - especially with kids. Too bad there never were any popular WiFi-only models in the Android world.

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@WesolyKubeczek 13 days

Replying to @minimaxir 🎙

So I just spat Apple in the eye and bought an old iPod classic with iFlash + 1TB SSD retrofitted in it (I do have another one, but I have no sufficient opening-fu to pry it open without damaging).

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