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Show HN: Vessel – Your Passport for the Internet

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  • 11 days ago

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Show HN: Vessel – Your Passport for the Internet


@alangibson 11 days

Replying to @cco 🎙

I'm not seeing any concrete reasons for why I would want to install this plugin.

The Internet doesn't require a passport. I can already "Make any transaction on the internet safely" with PayPal. Etc and soforth.

For me to install it I would need to see some examples of things I can't do now, or at least sites that I can use Vessel on in a way that enhances the experience.

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@aiibe 11 days

Replying to @cco 🎙

I like the idea and the name. Nice landing page!

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@gabereiser 11 days

Replying to @cco 🎙

I’m not sure the target audience would be into this. This is a browser extension, that as far as I can tell is closed source, that handles the most sensitive information. Who are they? Why should I trust you with the keys to my life? At a time when Apple, Microsoft, Google, Meta are talking about eliminating passwords…

If I knew anything about security (which I do), I would never trust a browser extension.

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@abetusk 11 days

Replying to @cco 🎙

This is a type of project that will not go over well with the HN community.

It looks like Vessel is a web browser extension that acts as a cryptocurrency wallet. The key words here are 'cryptocurrency', 'non-custodial' and 'web3'.

Meaning, this is a wallet that you can access from your browser that will keep your private keys local to your machine (the 'non-custodial' part) and allow you to send and receive cryptocurrency as well as allow you to log into websites that allow you to authenticate via a local non-custodial wallet interface/extension.

Some alternatives in this space are Temple [0], Kukai [1], Spire [2], to name a few.

To all those asking "what does this offer", ask yourselves how easy it would be to log into a service like Google mail, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Flickr, PayPal, Tumblr, etc. without an established phone number, bank account, or extra email address. With 'web3' the authentication takes place through the wallet (via the browser extension and presumably standarized-ish API).

Once a wallet is setup, the login process is a click of a button. From my own personal use, it's night and day compared with doing the login dance for the various 'blue-chip' companies I log into (GitHub, GMail, Twitter). Instead of a username/password dance, I can just click 'verify' and be logged in to a 'web3' website.

The wallets have, presumably, a primary purpose of keeping your money, so they act as a kind of 'real world wallet', where you're not expected to keep too much money in it but you can use this money for online transactions with little friction. The idea being, purchasing digital services is much easier because the friction is so low.

For me, the main point is friction. 'Web3' wallets like this provide an order of magnitude less friction to use online services. Whether you agree or disagree with cryptocurrency, think it's not needed or scammy, the 'strong-man' argument for wallets like Vessel and others is that it offers an order of magnitude less friction to authenticate and to use digital funds for digital services.

Now, in particular, Vessel doesn't look to be all that open (as in libre/free/open source) so I would be hesitant to install this and would rather use one of the more established wallets that is libre.

[0] https://templewallet.com/

[1] https://wallet.kukai.app/

[2] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/spire/gpfndedineag...

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@cco 11 days

Replying to @cco 🗣

Hey HN, we here at Stytch (https://stytch.com/) are super excited to launch Vessel today! Vessel is a fully non-custodial digital passport and multi-chain crypto wallet. With Vessel, we’ve imagined what a passport for the internet would look like. We’ve combined the best of Web2 authentication innovations to simplify account creation and data provisioning with the power of Web3 wallet architectures, to condense authentication, identity (e.g. NFTs), and payments into a single browser extension.

Starting today, Vessel is now in public beta and anyone can download Vessel and start using it right away! This is a huge step for us in our mission to eliminate friction from the internet, and we’re thrilled to have you join us. We'd love to hear your feedback!

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@kkfx 8 days

Replying to @cco 🎙

I think authors should recover and read the classic Internet Manifesto...

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@1970-01-01 11 days

Replying to @cco 🎙

Super cringeworthy, as the kids say.

-Why do I now need a "passport" to use the Internet? Isn't that why SSO was created?

-Why connect an ID to my wallet? What does that accomplish?

-How is it a secure? Who's audited it?

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@nrabulinski 11 days

Replying to @cco 🎙

What is this exactly? Because from your comments and skimming through the website it looks like a centralized crypto wallet but I’d be very happy to be wrong about that.

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@mrozbarry 11 days

Replying to @cco 🎙

Help me out, why does anyone want their crypto wallet connected to their web browser? Isn't that a huge security concern?

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@egypturnash 11 days

Replying to @cco 🎙

This is a very pretty site but I have absolutely no idea what holes in my life it is purporting to fill, never mind making me sorry it only works on Chrome when I'm a Safari user.

Is it a password manager that is also a "crypto wallet"? Why are there about four hundred things in the crypto world called a "wallet" anyway? Find some new terms, that one's getting really confusingly overloaded. It kinda sounds like it's got password manager functionality except then there's a FAQ that basically says "we want password managers to not exist" so I guess it's... not also a password manager? I can LeARN MORE about how my information is stored but this tells me absolutely zero about what a "Vessel passport" is and whether I can use it in a single place outside of expensive ugly monkey jpeg enthusiast circles? And if I was part of those circles, how do I know this isn't just a scam to steal those expensive ugly monkey jpegs anyway?

I also like the "what sites does it work with" FAQ that takes about a hundred words to say "nobody yet".

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@floatinglotus 11 days

Replying to @cco 🎙

I can’t imagine why someone would use this. It’s sort of begging to get your wallet and accounts stolen.

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@billdietrich1 11 days

Replying to @cco 🎙

Answer to "What sites does this work with ?" carefully gives no useful information at all.

"Keep both your digital identity and crypto assets in this secure browser extension" sounds like a very bad idea.

"Vessel does not hold or use any of your personal data and funds." but it sounds like the browser extension does hold it ? What distinction is being made here ?

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@ohCh6zos 11 days

Replying to @cco 🎙

Does Vessel give you any ability to interdict a site? Like let's say some time in the future a CEO decides to make an exception and kick off some undesirable site. Would you have to tell that CEO he's out of luck?

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