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Ask HN: Are cyberattacks inevitable in all conceivable future tech?

And if so, why?

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  • 6 days ago

  • @amichail
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Ask HN: Are cyberattacks inevitable in all conceivable future tech?


@thghtihadanacct 6 days

Replying to @amichail 🎙

Walls and fences werent invented because people liked the aesthetics. Firewalls and security software wasnt compiled due to boredom. Attacks are inevitable because people, and their inventions, like to trespass.

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@AnimalMuppet 6 days

Replying to @amichail 🎙

As thghtihadanacct said, human nature says that people are going to try. (The alternative is to change human nature, which... good luck.)

That means that cyberattacks are inevitable unless you have future tech that renders them impossible. It's not enough to have tech that can defeat all known attacks, because attacks always get better. It has to be good enough to defeat all possible attacks. I don't think that level of tech is possible, even in theory.

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@nonrandomstring 6 days

Replying to @amichail 🎙

Right now cybersecurity is a lost cause.

That is because of a combination of culture (people) and technology, which are, together, highly antagonistic to secure systems.

We can change one or the other. A non-cynical take would be that people can change. A cynical knee-jerk response is to say something about immutable human nature. That's an entrenched approach. There was a time between the invention of computers and today's widespread surveillance and cybercrime when these problems didn't exist. A possibility once is a possibility again. The fact that something has happened is proof that it can happen. The question then is, what are the changes in the world that would remove the motivation to cybercrime? In such conditions you would not even need encryption or passwords.

At the other end of the spectrum, we can make technology that is impervious to hacking or snooping. Such technology would be so complex and inconvenient less than 0.1% of the people would use it. Maybe that's a good thing? Again, that happened once, so it remains a possibility. Those trying to do that intend to make tech so opaque, abd outside our control it will have no utility. The only way to sell it is to make it compulsory, which I call "consumer communism".

So no, I don't think the misery of current tech is inevitable in all conceivable future tech, but I think most of us here would not accept, or recognise the kind of world where things improve. We want everyone having everything, everywhere, all at once, for zero cost. That's the madness.

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@theamk 5 days

Replying to @amichail 🎙

Cyberattacks are inevitable.

The success of those cyberattacks depends greatly on a lot of things. DoS are going to happen, anything can be knocked offline with enough traffic. RCEs need a certain complexity to happen -- try remote-attacking a calculator, X10 outlet, or an esp8266 IOT device without remote updates or unusual protocols.

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@sysadm1n 5 days

Replying to @amichail 🎙

Everything is broken, but we still need to fix it regardless. We can't just be nihilistic about it and fail to fix our very broken infra. Look into Zero Trust Architecture (ZTA). It's a whole discipline that is only now being fleshed out, and it should have been around from the start

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