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Pirate Site Blocking Is Making Its Way into Free Trade Agreements

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Pirate Site Blocking Is Making Its Way into Free Trade Agreements


@GekkePrutser 8 days

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It's worrying but it's hardly effective anyway.

The netherlands blocks many such sites as a result of local lawsuits and people know how to find them anyway. The sites are DNS blocked only so it's trivial to bypass, you don't even need to bother with a VPN.

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@ratsmack 8 days

Certain pirated content should be blocked, but there is other content that is locked up by profiteers such as scientific papers funded by public money. There is also information concealed by governments of their misdeeds, and whistle blowers need an avenue for safe public disclosure.

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@czhu12 8 days

I’m not a fan of trying to pass legislation through trade deals, but specifically on the issue of anti-piracy: why shouldn’t content creators have a right to protect their content?

Frankly, it seems to me like if a studio wants to show their movie for $1000 dollars, only available on their windows phone app, geogated to just south east Arkansas, they should have every right to do that.

I’ve always found the HN crowd really good at separating “what’s good for me” from what’s actually right.

What am I missing?

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@Jemm 8 days

Canada had software rental that was banned in the NAFTA. A nasty side affect was that opened software could not and still cannot be returned for refund.

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@car_analogy 8 days

A perfect example of how "democracy dies in darkness". They will keep pushing anti-consumer laws through the backdoor of "free trade" agreements, until we stop it by requiring that:

Before any international agreement may be ratified, [our country] must pass all the laws needed to comply with that agreement ahead of time, through regular democratic processes.

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@pessimizer 8 days

"Free" trade agreements. "Free trade agreement" is a propaganda term anyway, but applying it to agreements that impose intellectual property monopolies is bizarre.

https://cepr.net/trade-agreements-that-increase-protectionis...

https://cepr.net/trade-deals-are-about-increasing-protection...

> It is also important to point out that the liberalization of trade in goods is largely a done deal. Tariffs are already zero or near zero in the vast majority of cases. The potential gains from further liberalization are limited, especially since goods are a rapidly falling share of total output.

> Instead, deals like the TPP are largely about locking in rules on items like intellectual property protections and preserving Mark Zuckerberg’s dominance of the Internet. The TPP, like other recent trade deals, calls for longer and stronger patent and copyright monopolies.

> These protections are 180 degrees at odds with free trade. They are about shifting more income from the bulk of the population to people who benefit from rents on patents and copyrights, by making them pay more for drugs, medical equipment, software and a wide variety of other items.

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@dielll 8 days

I used to pirate lots of music when in University but I stopped because currently all music I listen to is on Spotify which is cheap and costs like $4 in my country, even if it was the full $10 I still wouldn't mind paying for it.

However, for movies and TV shows I need to pay for like 5 services to get all the movies and TV shows that I need. No way I am paying all those. SO I will keep pirating Movies and TV shows

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@alkonaut 8 days

Of course. If the agreements force governments to make it illegal (and actually enforce) sales of e.g. counterfeit handbags in stores, then why wouldn't they contain passages enforcing the same thing for software or other things?

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@agilob 8 days

Could UK put some tax avoidance into FTAs?

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@TimPC 8 days

We could use this a vehicle for banning all cryptocurrency transactions. Just require all transactions in all currencies meet certain industry standard financial regulations and provide injunctive relief if transactions occur that don’t.

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@zarriak 8 days

I guess it probably depends upon ones consumption but this strategy seems outdated because nowadays private trackers/groups eg discords seem to make up a much larger share of piracy etc but I guess that’s more hurting all of the people lower on the hierarchy of content creation than the big record labels.

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@seaourfreed 8 days

Free Trade Agreements are being made to block free trade.

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@dane-pgp 8 days

> the services of the ISP are used by a third party to infringe copyright or related rights in the territory of that Party.

Given the trouble Google has found itself in over News, Images, and Books search, and YouTube videos, surely ISPs could be injuncted to block Google's domains.

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@ABeeSea 8 days

Good. Lots of communities on the internet try to tie themselves into philosophical knots to justify piracy because they just don’t want to pay for things.

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